Sunday, September 2, 2007

Sunday Atheism Review

Today I got a Sunday paper. Bad man! News on a Lordsday!

I say "got", not "bought", because I subscribe, and that gives me vouchers to use every day of the week. It's still cheaper even for six days, and the Sunday papers have always seemed a bit too padded. Still, today I shopped, and remembered my voucher, so there was no point passing it up.

And apart from being very marginally more informed than I might have been about things in general, I was very glad to read about someone else's troubles with the religion debate. John Humphreys, of the BBC, has written a book about the failure of his search for God.

What is particularly intriguing to me is that, having grown up with church, he lost his faith and was disturbed to lose it. More recently, he undertook to talk to many experts in the hope of discovering just where the gap was, exactly what it was he had lost, and found nobody very convincing. The general consensus, even among very intelligent believers, is that the belief has to come first, then the reasoning is built on top of that. Without belief, the reasoning doesn't hold up.

I agree with that. My own explorations have led me to similar conclusions.

Then, though, he delved into the recent writings of evangelical atheists - there has been quite a spate over the last couple of years - and found himself outraged on behalf of believers. Here I nearly cheered out loud, as I recognised the reaction precisely. One doesn't like to find oneself on the side of superstition against reason, but there is an arrogance and intellectual dishonesty about militant atheism that is worse.

I won't go into the detail. Anyone wanting to know can read the book "In God We Doubt" (good title), or even a review of it, which is often as good.

One further point is that the author is uneducated, and those reviewing the book often have the benefit of university behind them, and it strikes them how much of philosophical history is covered without any knowledge of the thinkers who have been over it before. Apparently, the conclusions are Kant's. They seem to think that only a non-formally educated person would have what it takes to retread such ground, that those who have been taught it would shy away. Here again I find a pang of recognition. I like to think about and study assorted matters which are quite deep, and regularly find people being quite dismissive about them because they covered the ground years ago while at university. I often wonder where the benefit lies if the only effect it had was to act as a cultural box ticked. It has occurred to me before that the ideal university education would be on an obscure and pointless subject, so that one gets the training in thought, the advantage of contact with intelligence, but doesn't have an interesting subject spoiled for life.

And having strayed a long way from my original subject, I'll stop there. I'll start on Miyazaki next if I continue digressing.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

I was fortunate enough to hear his broadcasts on this topic, prior to publication of Humphreys' book, but you have prompted me to get the book too, so I thank you for your thoughts on this.

Anonymous said...

This is a huge topic.

Here are a couple of thoughts.

The fact that we can have both beliefs involving faith and a sense of knowing involving observation and reasoning depend on us using the aristotelian logic embedded in language.

Other species manage individual and social lives almost as complex as ours without language.

Perhaps it's the adaptive evolution of language which underpins and has given rise to our propensity to believe as well as our inclination to try to make sense of our existence by reasoning.

Observation of humans throughout history shows an almost universal embedding of religion in all cultures; modern western secularism is an historical aberration.

The thing that makes embracing any one set of beliefs over another for me personally impossible is that each religious group believes equally fervently that they have a monopoly on the truth.

On this basis nearly everyone has to be wrong, including the militant atheists.

The tendency for us to want to believe is, in my opinion, what is universal; it's an integral part of being human.

But how can you be sure that Christ dying on the cross for our sins isn't the real truth; actually the spiritual world of the Australian aboriginal dreamtime is what it's really all about. Ho Hum...

the survivor said...

I've seen several studies recently which, from one angle or another, conclude that recursive thought is uniquely and definitively human. I wonder if that has any influence on religion? After all, if it is natural to reflect on things and chase thoughts in circles, then it must also be natural to seek ultimate causes, something big and important at the centre of all the recursion.

Personally, I'm happy with christianity at base because it's what I know best and works for me, but that doesn't lead me to conclude it's the sole truth. I have an inclination towards Zen, too, which fits my style of thought, but dreamtime is a bit alien. Isn't "what feels right" what it's really all about?

Anonymous said...

Survivor says
"Isn't "what feels right" what it's really all about?"

I do hope your words of wisdom will eventually be read by a wider audience. You have much to offer.
Your ability to accept and reason with balance is refreshing.

Anonymous said...

Is Miyazaki a Zen sect?

the survivor said...

Careful, or I'll get onto this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayao_Miyazaki

Anonymous said...

Heavens to Betsy!

He looks just like me!

At least the pic on Wikipedia does - right down to the white facial hair, the black bushy eyebrows and the specs!